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Very swings and roundabouts with Raffy going back when she did.  She had geared herself up to go back and I don't think anyone could have predicted her assault on Abbi.  Leaving it longer would have put her further behind and open to a lot of more taunts from Abbi.  Maybe, as Maggie said this week 'off' will give her a chance to study on her own and get up to speed at her own pace.   I did admire her for owning up to what she had done and was willing to accept her suspension and turning down the chance to appeal which really would be more stressful for her. Maggie was absolutely right to suspend her, even if it was the meds causing her anger.  If she didn't let off Coco, her own daughter, she couldn't be seen to favour someone else. Even if she had wanted to keep Raffy in school, it's in the guidelines the school has a no violence policy set down by the board and education Department. Wonder what punishment Abbi will be getting? Her parents, even if they don't know she's the school bully would expect their daughter to be safe at school and not be beaten up. The doctors can't be blamed for them not working, meds aren't a one size fits all type of thing, every patient is different and as frustrating as it is for Raffy it will take several goes to find the right combination.  Bad enough for an adult to have to go through this but for a 15/16 year old doubly so I would imagine.  I would think it'd have been a lot worse if Abbi had ended up in hospital, her parents could have brought a charge of assault against her and sued the school for not taking due care of their daughter.

The Morgan's seem very happy for Marilyn to step in and whisk Raffy away as and when - Tori and Mason were at the hospital and Justin and Brody were somewhere. I find Marilyn's more than half full glass view on things annoying and can be detrimental, her assuring Raffy everything would be OK being a case in point when as it turned out everything wasn't. After her outburst, all these grown ups telling her what to take and what to do has to be  riling,  I'm glad Raffy calmed down and decided to start taking her meds again and she was overjoyed at Tori's news. Not wanting to put a downer on it but is it wise everybody is getting to know the news,?  It's very early days.  Pity we didn't see Coco and or Ryder there offering their support to Raffy.

Mason was a great brother to Tori and Raffy, Brody and Justin having faded away for some reason.  If Tori had been wearing her doctors head she would have known her cramps could be anything, but as she was wearing her possibly expectant mum head all that knowledge went right out of her mind. Robbo coercing/cajoling/emotionally  blackmailing Jas in to looking up Tori's records wasn't the best boyfriend behaviour but it wasn't the first time that's happened and won't be the last. I'm guessing after Jas told Tori the news the specialist did show up and confirm it so allowing her to go home.  As Mason isn't qualified anything obstetrics wise would be out of his learning zone so far, but at least he knows now. Jasmines' protests to Robbo that everything was OK didn't totally convince  me and there are still, hopefully, nine months to go. Once again she showed how understanding she was by telling Robbo it was alright for him to take Tori home. Tori then told him to go home, but oddly he didn't tell Jas.  Quite a descent from the happiness of ringing Lance to tell him he's going to be a dad again to looking at the photos of Sophia and Lucas and getting those flashbacks, good days, bad days, bringing him crashing down. I'm hoping we'll get an explanation as to why he feels he needs to guard Tori and their unborn child other than he couldn't save his first family so he feels he ought to do all he can to 'protect' his new one. Something else for Jasmine to think/worry about.

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It was mentioned, possibly on Friday, that Justin's in the city seeing Ava for a music recital.I guess Brody's at Salt and/or in the flat.Tori and Mason were both home when Marilyn decided to Raffy without any consultation though.(Okay, technically Mason was home and Tori arrived back very soon after, at which point Marilyn was very quick to cut short Raffy taking part in the celebrations and tell her to go and back.) Anyway, today, and I know Justin comes in for a lot of flack but he pretty much called the risks in Tori asking Robbo to be a donor straightaway, and while he was a bit heavyhanded about it, it seems he was quite right. Even though he's settled in the Bay and in a committed relationship, Robbo still isn't in the most stable frame of mind.He didn't even seem to think there was anything wrong with breaking into a house because Tori didn't answer her phone.Mason once again has to give up study time to massage his family's neuroses and is being very calm and understanding about it, just going along with Robbo's erratic behaviour when the urge to snap at him must have been very strong.

I think this PI Holsten must have got his license from the same place Kurt got his lawyer training from: Dishevelled doesn't even begin to cover it, although it seems he fits in well in Mangrove River.Some more of Colby and Dean's family history filled in and it seems none of them know about it: Colby seems to believe Ross is just a guy his mother met after his father died, not her high school crush or whatever.Even though we're just seemingly met Dean's dad, I can't help wondering if there's going to be some long-buried family secret in all this.It doesn't seem that likely that Colby and Dean are brothers, unless they've both got who their father is wrong.Could they share a sister though?

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I can't always keep up with all this coming and going with the Morgan's.

Tori did listen to Justin's concerns about Robbo but she did give it a lot of thought and gave Robbo plenty of opportunities to change his mind once he said yes.  I think his meltdown would have happened to anyone who had had a family then lost them the  way he did.  True, not all of them would have smashed the back door window in, remembering to cover their hand to avoid getting cut!  Mason's instincts were running on all four cylinders when he saw the photo on Robbo's  desk and tied it with him being on their doorstep first thing. Although he didn't know Tori had gone into work and was otherwise engaged when he rang her, for all he knew she could have been asleep so that is why she didn't answer her phone.  Maybe a good thing Mason had seen what had happened, did he get home just after Robbo broke in (?), and told Tori so she was able to have that talk with Robbo. Hopefully her telling him to back off has nipped it in the bud. It's not going to help her keep calm through the pregnancy having to worry about what Robbo may do next to keep her and the baby 'safe', plenty of other things that could - hopefully not - go wrong.

Some quite good scenes between Justin, Ben, Alf and John when Justin was wondering what to do for just him and Willow without all the family and other pressures.  Alf you are showing your age with your 'in my day' comment. Doesn't appear its going to happen though, Willow is taking the advice she's getting from GA seriously and just taking it one day at a time and not planning too far in advance.  Brody would go along with that.

I thought the same about Holsten, though looking like he does would help him blend in with the Mango River residents. He's smart though, I guess what he's found out wouldn't be on any police data banks. The news that Michelle - Colby's mum  and Karen were school mates was a revelation and that Ross visited Karen a year after Dean went inside another one.  Not unusual for schoolmates to drift apart after they've left school, moving away, different life styles etc then meet up in later life.  Dean did say to Holsten he and Colby were mates first, or so he thought,  not so it now appears apparently.  To me Dean did absolutely the right thing by not wanting to tell Colby anything until he was sure, or as much as he could be, that those little nuggets of info were true.  He knows better than anyone, apart from Willow, the disappointments Colby's had in the past when he's had leads that lead nowhere. Glad they had that chat, she was able to see it from a different angle and gave good advice. SG caught on quick and was more than ready to help, not bending the rules but using her initiative to get into the hospital/secure unit.  They nearly managed to keep it from Colby but got busted so they had no choice but to let him in on it.  Seems he had no idea of the connection either but as before no reason why he would.

Looks like Justin is getting it the neck from all and sundry tonight/tomorrow  over his 'banning' Willow from seeing Dean.  Seems Willow finally snaps, following Dean's put down last night about hiding from her boyfriend when they were talking together and Ziggy puts in her two penneth. 

Start of the Fund Raiser tonight!

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It seemed to be pick on Justin time again, at least as far as the Mangrove River refugees were concerned: The blokes at the surf club gave him a decent hearing at least. At least there was an acknowledgement that he told Willow to forget about the ultimatum, although she feels she has good reason for thinking the offer didn’t count. She seems to have got things all wrong, getting involved in Dean’s latest dilemma while avoiding having coffee with Colby in case he’s around, then throwing a tantrum at Justin out of frustration instead of talking to him. Of course, he then sulked when she came round to talk which caused me to lose a bit of sympathy for him. But I’m really not keen on Colby’s continued attempts to undermine their relationship. While Dean’s not exactly in trouble this time, him using Willow as his special friend whenever he has a decision to make is exactly what Justin objected to, and there didn’t seem to be any real need for him to drag her into this except that that’s what he does. Why wasn’t John supervising community service and why was Willow allowed to stop and have a deep and meaningful with Dean in the middle of it? I’ll admit I wasn’t too keen on Brody’s advice to Willow, he seemed to be talking more as Justin’s brother than as a fellow addict. I was worried I’d dislike Ziggy again but she works better as a supportive friend than being judgemental and thankfully we saw more of the former than the latter here, and I’m afraid I couldn’t really argue with her advice to Willow: She and Justin can’t just work when it’s only the two of them, they need to work out how to accommodate other people. I was thinking when Justin dismissed Willow that he’d decided the relationship was unsalvageable but then he suddenly switched back again. If there’s one thing guaranteed to get me back on his side though, it’s Ben reverting to form. Ziggy was giving as good as she got, there was no imbalance of power in the argument and Justin didn’t cross any lines: Ben playing the heavy father was uncalled for.

Chelsea “bends the rules” to get herself, Dean and Colby in to see Karen. Oddly, I’m not too bothered about it, probably because so far Chelsea’s shown good judgement, and it seems pretty harmless compared to Colby’s rule-breaking. So I’ll go with it for now but I hope her moral centre remains.

And yes, the fundraiser started. Coco continues to come across well and Alf and John made a good double act. Oh, and John and Marilyn are in the episode so it’s Tori’s turn to look after Raffy off screen…

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Arguments on both sides re Willow/Dean/Justin. He should never have given her that ultimatum in the first place, would he have taken it from her if she had told him to stay away from an old female friend?    Her reasoning Dean was family was valid for her, he has blood family, she doesn't.  Dean was just asking her advice about the news Karen and Michelle used to know each other when they were kids. They weren't doing either of themselves any favours by arguing then sulking, they needed outside advice/intervention.  It was advice Ziggy was giving her, she wasn't saying this is what she should do, Willow's  had enough of that, she had to put her cards on the table and tell him straight she wasn't happy. Justin's idea of going on a road trip wouldn't solve anything, Dean will still be there when they got back and start up all over again. Colby's kind of in the middle, he's friends with Dean & Willow so in a tricky place.  He struggled with being banned from seeing Dean when it was official.  Justin needs to trust Willow.  It did jar a bit when Willow was telling Ziggy about her first real conversation with Dean, it wasn't about the talk they had on the beach it was when they were by the Diner and she saw Justin on the pier and ducked out of site, that was quite brief.  Brody was rather dismissive with Willow, even if Willow was having trouble with his brother, he could have listened as even he didn't agree with what Justin had done.  Ben will never change his over protective dad attitude, it's got to be in his genes.  Ziggy will more than likely tell him she can more than look after herself.

Actually, it has been mentioned on the Oz page, but thinking about it the Willow we first saw, the confident woman who walked into Justin's garage and chained him up would never have agreed to stop seeing an old friend just because Justin said it was him or them, she would have told him to shove it.

Hopefully they will put it all to one side for the day.

On a slightly lighter note a lovely gesture by Justin giving Brody that guitar.  Maybe we'll see them play together. 

Not the sunniest of days to have the Fund Raiser but hey everyone was enjoying themselves.  John and Alf do make a fun pairing, squabbling like an old married couple.  Loved Coco's t-shirts, but was it just me or was Marilyn not that sure about showing it off as she had her coat zipped up.  Good speech by Maggie, not too emotional, just right. Nice to see Coco and Ryder chatting and laughing together and including Raffy albeit by text.  She does appear tonight and gets the wrong end of the stick entirely when Coco says 'oh you scared me' when Raffy jumps on her back. 

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Well,  looks like I have a lot to catch up on, haven't I? Happy new years, all!

First off, I say hat's off to Olivia Deeble for her excellent acting as Raffy continues her struggle. My heart has gone out to her several times since the year has started, especially when she was dealing with Brody and Ryder and had to go back to school to deal with the likes of Abbi (whom we most likely will never see again unless she gets involved with a love triangle). As others have said before, while I wasn't at all sorry that she attempted to knock the living daylights out of Abbi and couldn't help but feel a little bit of satisfaction, I was concerned by the way she seemed to black out during the day and understand the measures Maggie and the board had to take. And I would like to take the time to ask anyone: are Maggie and Roo the only teachers that work there? I mean, literally no teachers show up other than Maggie to break up the fight! I did however loved Raffy's more selfless side come out again, taking all responsibility for the fight when many others would have picked on the excuse. Refusing to take her medication though... is not what I would call wise. Ryder able to continue on into year 12 is good to see, but feels a bit rushed. 

Well done also to Colby and Chelsea for sending Neal on his way without giving in to what he wanted, and Dean as always was a good friend, agreeing to help find Bella.Some rather interesting background into Colby and Dean's life before the Bay, and I'll be intrigued to see the connection between Ross and Karen. Seeing Chelsea going beyond the book to get them to see Karen is, in my opinion, necessary, just so we don't see her as a boring, blank, following-the-rules officer, so that was good. 

Now for the Justin-Willow-Dean dilemma, well I do think that Justin is very much in the wrong here giving Willow an ultimatum in the first place, but he isn't at all acting like a obsessive boyfriend and seems rather to be stuck in trying to make this relationship work and trying to see Willow happy. As for Willow, I do feel sorry for her being under all of this pressure, but I can't help but feel like she may be taking Justin's ultimatum too seriously, not being able to be around Dean. I don't know, and I'm trying not to sound insensitive here, because this kind of thing in relationship is very serious when one of them feels pressured. I think that Justin unintentionally laced this pressure on Willow, but he should recognise it. Brody's advice to Willow, well, I couldn't really agree with it, but at least Ziggy, after her rather judgmental comments against Willow before, was supportive.  The end appears in sight for Willow and Justin.

While going on and off with Mason last year, I did feel sympathy for him trying to study with everyone just heaping other problems on him, though with looking after Raffy I can see where the family's priorities lie, and can't Mason get other friends from university or so to help him out, or Jasmine, since they both work together? Still, it was nice to see him being sweet and helpful towards his sisters. 

Now, the thing is, I do like Robbo and Jasmine together, I do... it's just tiring to see another couple on this show proclaim that "I love you" just after a couple of weeks, I mean, couldn't they worked it up a bit more? Great news to see Tori pregnant and thankfully nothing went wrong at the hospital, though, while I'd like to not Jasmine's continued support and kindness towards Robbo and Tori, it's hard not to think that Jasmine is slowly becoming the third wheel in this relationship. Very troubling to see Robbo's breakdown there, though I completely understand and sympathise where he's coming from, and can see where his over-protectiveness is coming from. 

Maggie continuing with her fundraiser and all the community helping her out is rather nice to see, and I felt it was a very nice and toughing moment with Irene's video, showing others getting involved as well. 

On 21/01/2019 at 17:42, Red Ranger 1 said:

Robbo went into bad boyfriend territory again by emotionally blackmailing Jasmine into looking up Tori's results...and the fact this seems like a plot device to avoid hiring a guest actor to play a doctor who isn't Tori and deliver the news just makes it more irritating.Anyway, by the end Robbo seems on the verge of a psychotic break as he starts guarding Tori's house.

 

On 22/01/2019 at 23:50, Red Ranger 1 said:

Even though he's settled in the Bay and in a committed relationship, Robbo still isn't in the most stable frame of mind.He didn't even seem to think there was anything wrong with breaking into a house because Tori didn't answer her phone.Mason once again has to give up study time to massage his family's neuroses and is being very calm and understanding about it, just going along with Robbo's erratic behaviour when the urge to snap at him must have been very strong.

I don't want to sound critical of other people's opinions, even if I don't agree with them, but I can't really agree with any of your comments concerning Robbo, Red. At this time, there's nothing else to suggest that Robbo doesn't have a stable mind other than the obvious that he is still traumatised over the death of his wife and kids, something that I don't believe anyone could really get over. As for his overprotective nature, while breaking into Tori's house (?) was wrong, I have no problem admitting that, and it was very much over the top and not appropriate behaviour, it's not understandable and was gladly dealt with the right way by Tori, other than to "snap at him". As for Robbo going into "bad boyfriend territory again", again? When has he gone into this "territory" before? And while coercing Jasmine into giving him the results, it's not worse, rather just as bad or at the very least not the right thing to do, than others have done in the hospital, e.g. Mason moving Beth up the doner list. 

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Alf's episode count this week:Five, for the second week running.

I continue to be pretty bewildered at how we're apparently meant to view Justin.Ben's behaviour was nothing short of ridiculous, yet it felt like we were meant to be nodding in agreement with him.Ziggy did not need him or Brody fighting her battles for her, Justin did not do anything anywhere near as bad as they were making out, yet it felt like we were meant to see yelling at a woman who was yelling back at him as akin to wife beating. Ben's "He was yelling at your wife" to Brody, as if he thinks he's a bad husband for not protecting her from Big Bad Justin who she didn't need protecting from, made me wonder which decade he thinks it is.Ziggy, who you'd expect to say she could take care of herself, incredibly seems to agree with him, spending all episode acting as though Justin did her a massive offence and similarly expecting Brody to defend her, although that might be more of a case of her wanting Brody to be on her side rather than thinking she actually needed his help.That said, Brody didn't exactly cover himself in glory either.He gave good advice to Justin but he spent the whole episode snapping at Ziggy every time she criticised Justin, even when she offered an olive branch, when it might have been better to bite his tongue to keep the peace.

As for people in Oz Discussion talking as though the Willow who holds down a steady job, takes responsibility for her actions and is friends with police officers and Irene is somehow a worse person than the Willow who assaulted Justin and held him prisoner in an attempt to retrieve money for a criminal gang who later kidnapped Justin's daughter...this is why I don't look at what people are saying in Oz Discussion.

Watching the scene in context, I actually think Coco was a bit wary of Raffy, but I'm not going to hold it against her because otherwise she was a very good friend to her and Raffy did eventually understand that once she'd got past the initial hurt.When it cut from Marilyn asking Coco what had happened with Raffy to Raffy sitting alone, I was praying for anyone other than Marilyn to sidle into shot to act as her advisor but nope, she gets shoehorned in again. Why couldn't the episode have focused on her relationship with the other teens (I don't think she and Ryder exchanged more than a couple of words) instead of trying to turn Marilyn into the wise adult figure? I assume/hope that when John offered to take Raffy he meant they were going to take her home to Tori (and possibly Mason) rather than use another opportunity to squirrel her back to their place for the night.

On ‎25‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 23:41, D.B said:

I don't want to sound critical of other people's opinions, even if I don't agree with them, but I can't really agree with any of your comments concerning Robbo, Red. At this time, there's nothing else to suggest that Robbo doesn't have a stable mind other than the obvious that he is still traumatised over the death of his wife and kids, something that I don't believe anyone could really get over. As for his overprotective nature, while breaking into Tori's house (?) was wrong, I have no problem admitting that, and it was very much over the top and not appropriate behaviour, it's not understandable and was gladly dealt with the right way by Tori, other than to "snap at him". As for Robbo going into "bad boyfriend territory again", again? When has he gone into this "territory" before? And while coercing Jasmine into giving him the results, it's not worse, rather just as bad or at the very least not the right thing to do, than others have done in the hospital, e.g. Mason moving Beth up the doner list. 

I'll try and keep this as brief as possible. I'd have said that Robbo's behaviour towards Tori (standing guard outside her house, breaking in), and especially the faux calm way he acted as though it was normal and that paying for the damage meant she didn't have to worry, was more than enough to say that he's not entirely stable.And Tori did snap at him when it was clear he didn't get it.When has Robbo gone into bad boyfriend territory before?Well, the previous week when he hid details about the hospital visit for a start, and probably a few other times like standing Jasmine up on their first date without so much as a phone call.I certainly agree people have done things as bad or worse than Robbo pressuring Jasmine into risking her job just because he couldn't wait for the doctor, but I don't think that really excuses it, and I like to think that, even though I like Mason, I acknowledge when he crosses the line, as he did with Beth on occasion.

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11 hours ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

I'll try and keep this as brief as possible. I'd have said that Robbo's behaviour towards Tori (standing guard outside her house, breaking in), and especially the faux calm way he acted as though it was normal and that paying for the damage meant she didn't have to worry, was more than enough to say that he's not entirely stable.And Tori did snap at him when it was clear he didn't get it.When has Robbo gone into bad boyfriend territory before?Well, the previous week when he hid details about the hospital visit for a start, and probably a few other times like standing Jasmine up on their first date without so much as a phone call.I certainly agree people have done things as bad or worse than Robbo pressuring Jasmine into risking her job just because he couldn't wait for the doctor, but I don't think that really excuses it, and I like to think that, even though I like Mason, I acknowledge when he crosses the line, as he did with Beth on occasion.

Firstly, I'll admit that I made a mistake in my typing last night. I meant to say that it was "gladly dealt with in the right way by Mason", (just like you mentioned in your previous comment) not Tori, so I apologise for that. I had a extremely busy day at work, and at the point of typing my post last night, with all the days I had to catch up on, all I wanted was some desperately needed sleep so I rushed through a lot of my comment. As for the rest of it, while Robbo breaking into their house was, as I have said, wrong and (to be honest) rather creepy, I thought of his faux calm way , and as I said, his trauma from his past was definitely playing a major role here. I don't know, I guess since I have a high opinion on Robbo I'm usually prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. As for people doing just as bad or worse than Robbo not being an excuse, did I ever say it was an excuse? I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. I actually do agree with you that no matter what his reasons, he was wrong to pressure Jasmine like so. All my point was that there were worse situations like that, such as when Brax wanted Nate to cut off Pirovic's life support all those years ago, and that what Robbo did seems rather minor in comparison to others. If I appear salty in this reply, then I apologise again, but I needed to refine some of my words. 

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50 minutes ago, D.B said:

As for the rest of it, while Robbo breaking into their house was, as I have said, wrong and (to be honest) rather creepy, I thought of his faux calm way , and as I said, his trauma from his past was definitely playing a major role here. I don't know, I guess since I have a high opinion on Robbo I'm usually prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. As for people doing just as bad or worse than Robbo not being an excuse, did I ever say it was an excuse? I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. I actually do agree with you that no matter what his reasons, he was wrong to pressure Jasmine like so. All my point was that there were worse situations like that, such as when Brax wanted Nate to cut off Pirovic's life support all those years ago, and that what Robbo did seems rather minor in comparison to others. If I appear salty in this reply, then I apologise again, but I needed to refine some of my words. 

Fair enough, we all have characters we like and are willing to give a fair amount of leeway to.I possibly used the wrong word when I said "excuses", I just meant that others doing worse doesn't make what Robbo did okay.Which you seem to agree with anyway!

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