Kane/Kirsty

[aurocka]

cant wait for Kirsty and Kane to leave the show

And I dont understand how you could be with your sisters rapist. I cant understand that seriously..

I totally agree. Personally, I've always found the Kirsty/Kane popularity baffling. This is a man who has raped someone, hit his significant other, divided a family on more than one occasion, bayed for the blood of his rape victim after she accidentally hit him with her car, committed numerous armed robberies, insisted his wife move on, then demanded her back at the drop of a hat, all while playing the victim card. (The fact he was acquitted for those robberies is utterly absurd, btw). The way the writers have, in the past, romanticised him and the K/K relationship struck me as very dangerous. Personally, I'm glad the writers seem to be making more responsible decisions now with the current plot, by revealing Kane as the manipulative, controlling (even abusive) type that he is. I hope that they continue to do so, or otherwise redeem him entirely, which may be near impossible. (It seems like he never has any true remorse for his actions.)

Anyway, that just my opinion.

Edited February 25, 2009 by aurocka

[adellejefferiesxox]

I totally agree. Personally, I've always found the Kirsty/Kane popularity baffling. This is a man who has raped someone, hit his significant other, divided a family on more than one occasion, bayed for the blood of his rape victim after she accidentally hit him with her car, committed numerous armed robberies, insisted his wife move on, then demanded her back at the drop of a hat, all while playing the victim card. (The fact he was acquitted for those robberies is utterly absurd, btw). The way the writers have, in the past, romanticised him and the K/K relationship struck me as very dangerous. Personally, I'm glad the writers seem to be making more responsible decisions now with the current plot, by revealing Kane as the manipulative, controlling (even abusive) type that he is. I hope that they continue to do so, or otherwise redeem him entirely, which may be near impossible. (It seems like he never has any true remorse for his actions.)

Anyway, that just my opinion

I 110% agree!!!! I dont see how Kristy can love someone like Kane, she must like being manipulatied & controlled. Kane has done nothing good for her, except giving her cute little Ollie! Kane doesnt deserve Ollie, has Kane ever done anything good?

[Slade]

I totally agree. Personally, I've always found the Kirsty/Kane popularity baffling. This is a man who has raped someone, hit his significant other, divided a family on more than one occasion, bayed for the blood of his rape victim after she accidentally hit him with her car, committed numerous armed robberies, insisted his wife move on, then demanded her back at the drop of a hat, all while playing the victim card. (The fact he was acquitted for those robberies is utterly absurd, btw). The way the writers have, in the past, romanticised him and the K/K relationship struck me as very dangerous. Personally, I'm glad the writers seem to be making more responsible decisions now with the current plot, by revealing Kane as the manipulative, controlling (even abusive) type that he is. I hope that they continue to do so, or otherwise redeem him entirely, which may be near impossible. (It seems like he never has any true remorse for his actions.)

I won’t bother trying to refute the point of Kirsty falling for Kane in the first place because most people have their thoughts on the subject and have decided which part of the fence they’re on and I don’t think anybody’s really going to change their minds about it.

Kane never hit Kirsty. He raised his hand and then he stopped himself. Yes he was going to but he didn’t. I too didn’t like the way he went up to Miles and basically put pressure on him to break up with her but it’s hardly unexpected. At the time when he told her to move on he wasn’t expecting to get out of jail anytime soon but he was released (however implausible that may be) and given another chance. What was he expected to do? He wanted his family back.

I hated the fact that he accused Dani of deliberately trying to run him down but in his defense I honestly believe he thought Dani tried to kill him. And who could blame her? Even if she had done it deliberately I still thought he should have dropped everything. However I still think she has to take some responsibility because she should never have been driving in the rain in the state she was. She was an emotional wreck and it was dangerous.

I don’t think Kane ever abused Kirsty either and at times she was shown to be just as manipulative as he was. Recall when she lied about being pregnant so that Rhys wouldn’t annul their marriage and then she went to the trouble of emotionally blackmailing her sister to lie for her and later on put her husband and family through the heartache of a miscarriage. Regarding Kane not showing any remorse I don’t think he did after the robbery but he certainly did after Dani made him realise what he did to her. That was what the writers were trying to show with the second mediation session.

Kane has done nothing good for her, except giving her cute little Ollie! Kane doesnt deserve Ollie, has Kane ever done anything good?

Well I seem to remember him carrying Kirsty to safety, giving her water and taking care of her in the Bush after the Mirigini sunk. He saved Shelly from a snake bite and almost died for his efforts. He dug with his bare hands to help some of the locals rescue Kirsty, Max, Rhys and Jade from the collapsed mine shaft. And finally he saved Noah and Max from the drop in centre when it burned down.

I take it you didn’t see any of those episodes?

Edited February 25, 2009 by Slade

[aurocka]

I won’t bother trying to refute the point of Kirsty falling for Kane in the first place because most people have their thoughts on the subject and have decided which part of the fence they’re on and I don’t think anybody’s really going to change their minds about it.

Kane never hit Kirsty. He raised his hand and then he stopped himself. Yes he was going to but he didn’t. I too didn’t like the way he went up to Miles and basically put pressure on him to break up with her but it’s hardly unexpected. At the time when he told her to move on he wasn’t expecting to get out of jail anytime soon but he was released (however implausible that may be) and given another chance. What was he expected to do? He wanted his family back.

I hated the fact that he accused Dani of deliberately trying to run him down but in his defense I honestly believe he thought Dani tried to kill him. And who could blame her? Even if she had done it deliberately I still thought he should have dropped everything. However I still think she has to take some responsibility because she should never have been driving in the rain in the state she was. She was an emotional wreck and it was dangerous.

I don’t think Kane ever abused Kirsty either and at times she was shown to be just as manipulative as he was. Recall when she lied about being pregnant so that Rhys wouldn’t annul their marriage and then she went to the trouble of emotionally blackmailing her sister to lie for her and later on put her husband and family through the heartache of a miscarriage. Regarding Kane not showing any remorse I don’t think he did after the robbery but he certainly did after Dani made him realise what he did to her. That was what the writers were trying to show with the second mediation session.

Oh sorry, I thought I remembered him hitting Kirsty, but you're right, he never actually did.

I think what bothered me about him getting so angry about Dani running him down was that he was so enraged and didn't even contemplate what her emotional state must have been like after what he did to her. I mean, of course he should be upset and angry if someone runs him down (I agree that he genuinely believed she did it deliberately as well), but he was so livid, it was like he completely ignored the long lasting effects that his raping her would have had. And yes, he did seem to realise his actions were wrong after the second mediation session, but his behaviour since in other areas hasn't shown the same self-awareness. He moans about having to go on the run and never getting a fair go, but then he negates any reason to be given one by committing armed robberies.

Anyway, I agree that Kirsty is also a manipulative character, and I've never liked her either (not since the Kane stuff, anyway). That's why I don't like the way they've often been cast as a Romeo and Juliet type, rather than two self-centred miscreants who deserve each other. Oh, and the whole 'babe' thing has always gotten on my nerves, haha! Is it just me or are the current writers joking around with that, by having them use that term every time one addresses the other?

[adellejefferiesxox]

I don’t think Kane ever abused Kirsty either and at times she was shown to be just as manipulative as he was

I'm pretty sure Kane has verbally abused Kristy several times. (Sorry can't think of specific examples, not word for word. But he has verbally abused her).

Oh, and the whole 'babe' thing has always gotten on my nerves,

Yes! and I thought i was the only one who thought the way he called her babe was annoying. I was praying aden wouldnt call belle babe because I was worried I would have that image of Kane saying "Awww, babe...no..." bluh bluh. But thankfully I can tolerate the word when it is said by other characters.

[Slade]

I don’t think Kane ever abused Kirsty either and at times she was shown to be just as manipulative as he was

I'm pretty sure Kane has verbally abused Kristy several times. (Sorry can't think of specific examples, not word for word. But he has verbally abused her).

Exactly so without specific examples I guess I will stick by what I said. I don’t ever recall Kane verbally abusing her. The only arguments I can think of were:

1. The time when she told him she didn’t want to have their baby (during the fake pregnancy) and they got into a massive fight but Kirsty gave as good as she got. And the argument was about the baby and how fed up he was with her attitude towards other people (as she was being moody and generally not being very nice).

2. He shouted at her after Gus first showed up because he didn’t want to make up with him (as Gus abused him when he was a child and he hadn’t forgiven him) before storming off. Just before that he asked her why she couldn’t have let things lie. I wouldn’t call that abuse.

3. There was another time just before his first trial for armed robbery when he was trying to call Greg Harvey (the person who Gus owed money to that lied about seeing Kane fleeing the crime scene) and Kirsty went ballistic but she was arguing with him and he was trying to justify his actions. I can’t remember any verbal abuse as such.

BTW - Even I have to admit that babe thing did annoy me at times. It was used far too excessively. Almost every other word was “babe”.

[I love music]

I hated the fact that he accused Dani of deliberately trying to run him down but in his defense I honestly believe he thought Dani tried to kill him. And who could blame her? Even if she had done it deliberately I still thought he should have dropped everything. However I still think she has to take some responsibility because she should never have been driving in the rain in the state she was. She was an emotional wreck and it was dangerous.

I think what bothered me about him getting so angry about Dani running him down was that he was so enraged and didn't even contemplate what her emotional state must have been like after what he did to her. I mean, of course he should be upset and angry if someone runs him down (I agree that he genuinely believed she did it deliberately as well), but he was so livid, it was like he completely ignored the long lasting effects that his raping her would have had.

I remember that he tried to stop the court case on the actual day but the lawyer/barriser/prosecutor/whoever threatened to charge him with contempt of court or something similar if he didn't go ahead with it.

Edited February 26, 2009 by I love music

[Red Ranger 1]

I'm not sure if he actually tried to stop the case beforehand but I remember he stood up in court while Dani was being questioned and tried to stop things, when he saw the effect it was having on Kirsty. Then I think he withdrew his statement, which was partly why she was released.

[gazzalovesu]

When love is not enough

Kirsty and Kane have been on a roller coaster since day one of their relationship. Can this really be the end?

It's heartbreaking when a couple come to the realisation that even though they might still love each other, they can't live together anymore.

Kirsty has stuck by Kane through thick and thin, when he was sent to jail, she was devastated. He insisted that she should move on with her life and reluctantly she gradually accepted that their relationship was over. She started to fall for Miles and all was going well until Kane was released.

Torn between an old love and a new love and the responsibility of raising Ollie, she chose to try and repair the damage and give her son the chance to grow up with father.

Sadly it is not always so easy to go back. In a highly emotional scene, Kane says 'I love you,' 'I love you too,' Kirsty replies, 'but not in the same way anymore, something inside me has changed and I can't get it back.'

How will this affect gorgeous little Ollie? He loves his Dad and Kane adores him. Do you think Kirsty and Kane should stay together? Send your comments to the Got Something To Say page.

[Salem]

I totally agree. Personally, I've always found the Kirsty/Kane popularity baffling. This is a man who has raped someone,

Must he pay for that mistake for the rest of his life? Lets not also forget that 'this is a man' who saved Shelley's life and almost died for her, saved Rhys and others down in the mineshaft (I think it was), but of course, people only remember the bad things...

hit his significant other

False. He raised his hand to her, and stopped, leaving both him and Kirsty in shock. He never actually hit her., divided a family on more than one occasion,

B ecause he wanted to be with the woman he loved, and loved him and they wanted to be together, 'he' divided a family? There aren't that many relationships in Summer Bay that DON'T divide a family at some point, it happens in real life too. My opinion? Dani did a good enough job of dividing her family herself with her constant selfishness bayed for the blood of his rape victim after she accidentally hit him with her car

He genuinely thought she was staring straight at him when she accidentally hit him - if someone hit you and you looked up in the last few seconds and saw them looking ahead staring straight at you as the person's car came at you, what would you think? Seriously now.,committed numerous armed robberies, insisted his wife move on, then demanded her back at the drop of a hat, all while playing the victim card. (The fact he was acquitted for those robberies is utterly absurd, btw). The way the writers have, in the past, romanticised him and the K/K relationship struck me as very dangerous. Personally, I'm glad the writers seem to be making more responsible decisions now with the current plot, by revealing Kane as the manipulative, controlling (even abusive) type that he is. I hope that they continue to do so, or otherwise redeem him entirely, which may be near impossible. (It seems like he never has any true remorse for his actions.)

Actually, I see Kirsty as being manipulative and I'm very disappointed in her. Lying to Miles, using him while working as an escort, and she has a child with her husband - that should count for something. She is dangling Miles along (with Miles being a homewrecker) and stuffing both Kane and Miles around. Kirsty and Kane are soulmates who are meant to be together. Kane has made a mistake, but he has also made a lot of sacrifices for others. The treatment of Kane is disgusting, and I see him as one of the most wronged characters the show has created. He has shown his remorse a hundred times over and has given so much to others yet received so little but poop thrown at him in return. He deserves so much better, and if Kirsty is going to use men and treat them like that, then her and Miles deserve each other. Just my opinion.

Edited March 1, 2009 by Salem