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Interestingly I've just looked ahead at the transmission dates in the UK and 8584 which airs on Thursday November 13th seems to be the last one on there. They haven't added the Friday episode. Maybe that is wrap up time but seems a little early?
Nothing significant there, that's just the last episode that's been listed on the site!
Traditionally, they've ended nine weeks before the end of the Oz season, which would be 8590, so we could be ending on November 21st?
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Well, at least they seem to be backtracking with Roo in having her realise she has to try and facilitate Adrian and Cohen building a relationship.
Harper's actions were kind of understandable but she can't really go around making rules about who Tane can spend time with if he's got Archie with him.
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Alf almost seems to have slipped back into his old role as a sage grandfatherly figure.It's been so long it's almost jarring.So talking to John like a human being actually does the job: Who knows? Irene's reference to guided trips does alleviate some of the concern that she's going to end up wandering around unfamiliar cities unsure of who she is. And Alf made a valid point: If Irene ever does come back to the Bay and find she doesn't have a house anymore, she can just do what Marilyn does and rock up on the doorstep of an old friend asking if they've got a spare room.
Well, Lacey's first surfing lesson didn't last very long but Theo seems prepared to be patient with her.I guess Mali just wants the commitment to try, so she should stop panicking and just relax and ease her way into it.
Sonny and Dana's L word crisis was quickly sorted then, once Sonny actually sat down and was honest.Meanwhile, another step backwards for Levi and Mackenzie...
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Even though she's the wronged party, I'm finding Bree unnecessarily cold here. There didn't seem to be any reason for her and Dana to be as rude to Eden as they were, and then she turns up at Remi's for rather clinical reasons. It does feel like she's shut off her feelings, which I guess is understandable from a self-preservation aspect but makes it hard for me to be sympathetic towards her.
Back to the nostalgia fest with Irene with another selection of clips, going back to 2002 with Nick and Nathan, and I'm guessing that was Grace on the end. (Still no sign of Will, I think, even though we got a couple of clips from Gypsy's 2011 stint here?) Obviously, the theory that there was a ban on clips of Sam Frost is wrong, since we saw her a couple of times. And most astonishingly of all...a clip of Proper Olivia! (The fact Chris Hemsworth was standing behind her may have helped, but it's still there.) John doesn't take the news well, and neither does Dana really. Whilst other characters are closer to her, I guess it makes sense for Sheriff Alf to be the one to step in and wish her luck.
I guess Mali's offer to Lacey was fair, even if it does put a bit of pressure on her. It's not an immediate solution, and her only teaching beginners at first is only a bit of help, but I respect his loyalty, and it may even be more practical than firing her in the vague undefined hope of hiring someone better.
Dana says the L word to Sonny and...gets offered a drink? Better than a slap in the face, I guess, although her expression didn't seem to agree.
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Well, seems like that's all Remi's progress with Bree gone, not to mention with his negative associations with music. Justin might be on a hiding to nothing trying to get himself a new act to manage with Remi having other things on his mind. Eden too, perhaps.I dunno, it feels like other people have been forgiven worse, but it also feels like Remi has never had a good reason for doing what he did, no matter how much he might wish he could take it back.I'm not sure Bree saying he gave up on them is entirely fair, but then I'm not sure what else you could say that sounds any better. Forgot about them?
In the midst of Levi and Mackenzie taking small steps forward, Mali's back and he really needed to be back, having left his business, his employees and his customers in the lurch. Abigail's solution was rather cold and slightly hypocritical. Mali managed perfectly well for ages with Abby running the shop and Kirby handling the classes, and more recently Lacey was running the shop while Theo took classes.So the solution would seem to be to have Lacey carry on doing Abby's old job and find someone to do Kirby/Theo's old job...which Abigail has been spectacularly unsuccessful at, so it's hard to see how firing Lacey will help when they still don't have anyone to take the classes. Maybe the idea is that Mali can't afford two employees anymore, but it still shows a certain lack of self-awareness for Abigail to tell him to get rid of an employee who can't surf just as soon as that's not her.
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Maybe one the lesser remembered foster kids?
Actually, having done a bit of digging since yesterday, I was reminded that Liam Tanner wound up in Peru. You don't think? I mean, he was Joey's best mate but still.
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No, she didn't. She was talked out of that and sold it to her precisely so she'd have money put aside when she needed it. So I think that's probably covered.
Alf's episode count this week:Three, and a stock footage appearance on Wednesday.
I think it's a bit early to be writing off Irene's decision. We don't know exactly what this trip is going to entail and whether or not someone's going to be with her and how effective the safeguards would be. Given she's obviously going to do it, her friends are probably best making sure the plan's practical rather than trying to put their foot down and get ignored.Leah and Dana crossing their arms about it when Irene was barely out of the room was daft, Alf and Leah's later attempt at an intervention was always likely to just have her walking out.So, yeah. Like she says, she doesn't want them to see her reduced to some sad old thing. Maybe it's not the worst idea ever.
Elsewhere, I loved Cash being the supportive partner to an increasingly neurotic Eden. The tension between Remi and Bree was a lot more serious, and even though they found a release at the end, the promo suggests it's not going to be as simple as that.Justin really is keen to have another act to manage, isn't he? And despite Abigail's reluctance to confide in him, Mali's on his way back anyway...
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No real movement on the lost PI story then. Both Lacey and Jo ultimately seem to accept the claim that she didn't want to take on a case that involved the local sergeant and his family, even if they came at it from different angles, and they mostly put it aside after the opening minutes. It was nice to see Lacey in caring, supportive girlfriend mode with Theo, which we need to offset her hardline attitude towards her family. By the end, she's roped Abigail into something that's probably best for Theo but not really for the board shop. It remains to be seen how they'll cope with this new hole. Meanwhile, Jo demonstrates it's not as simple as her being the "good sister" by hiding Tane's phone call from Harper, although fair play to her for opening up quickly.
Irene gave John the necessary short shrift and he'll probably be even less happy about her latest decision. I did have to smile at the fact she talked about April and Dex in the past tense: I guess someone involved in the show couldn't believe that marriage would actually last either. Nice to get a bit of an update on the last thirty or so years of Fin's life too.Leah just pops up at the end to give disapproving looks.Do we know who's in Peru? It sounds familiar but I might be getting mixed up with Coronation Street...
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The plot thickens! I've been wondering about this crash storyline for some time. It seems unlikely it'll end with "Oh, it was just an unexplained accident after all", yet David and Jo are regulars so we're probably not going to see either of them up on corruption or manslaughter charges. Which leaves the possibility that...someone else is responsible? After all, David's the type to make enemies, who might easily decide to off his wife and daughter for payback. So with the PI now being scared off, I'm wondering who might not want the truth to come out. (That said, I wouldn't put it past Tane to put the hard word on, although that seems to go against him suggesting to Jo that Lacey looking into it and finding nothing might be a good outcome.)
In the midst of this, there's a curious detente between Lacey and Theo. I suspect he'd rather she wasn't hiring a private detective but he's keeping his counsel on that one, and he seems determined to go on helping her out even with Justin needing help too. Incidentally, Tori, VJ and Luc was an odd list of people for Leah and Justin to visit. What about Brody and Raffy, or Ava, or Leah's brothers? Did someone just look at the list of wedding guests they had to pay for the flashback?
I did not have a reference to Maddy on my bingo card (even if the subtitles still can't spell it right). I briefly wondered if we'd actually see a clip of her but no such luck. Did Will buy her that bus while they were in London? (A reference to how he's doing might have been nice but the storyline isn't really about that, it's about remembering Irene's time on the show rather than catching up on old faces.) John is starting to annoy me a bit, he seems to be determined to overreact to everything. It was fine when Irene was keeping things to herself when she really shouldn't, but now she's being open and honest and he still keeps telling her she's wrong.
Levi and Mackenzie would make a great fly on the wall documentary but I'm not sure it's working that well as a soap storyline. It does seem like pretty much the entire town knows they're having IVF at this point!
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To be honest, I think that episode continued to make me feel like Roo's acting like an awful person.She was pretty much gaslighting Cohen by pretending she didn't know who Adrian was in possibly the most blatant lie in history, not to mention her constantly fobbing him off.And dare I mention that Adrian wouldn't have known who Cohen was if she hadn't insisted on storming down to the station shouting the odds? Alf doing the same thing didn't exactly endear him either.There's still that feeling that Roo tried to claim ownership of Cohen far too early and now it's blowing up in her face. Cash was unnecessarily macho and square-jawed towards Adrian as well, although at least he softened eventually. And it led to a bonding moment between him and David.
Levi and Mackenzie's IVF journey continues with Cash now in the circle as extended family. Levi's obviously struggling with the by-products.
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Roo was so arrogant and self-righteous here that it was impossible to have even the tiniest bit of sympathy for her. I felt sorry for Cohen trying to understand her self-centred behaviour: Twice she ditches him in order to go to the police station to find someone to yell at. It increases the feeling that this isn't about what's best for Cohen, it's about her wanting to claim ownership of him. And again, there's that feeling that Alf's fears about her suitability for fostering are being proved right, yet for some reason he hasn't noticed and is only a step behind her. Her "He doesn't even know Cohen!" was absolutely laughable, a month or so ago she didn't know him either, yet now she's convinced she's the only person in the world to look after him. David earned a lot of points dealing with her tantrums. As for Adrian, well, we get the now traditional story where it's all the other parent's fault that he hasn't been in Cohen's life. Not for the first time, Marilyn seems to try and erase Gina from history and pretend it was always her with John and Jett, when she didn't move in with them until long after Jett's dad had been and gone.
Meanwhile, turns out Eden was very enthusiastic about the gig; I actually really loved her being all enthusiastic and awkward in front of David. Remi still wasn't keen. A part of me thinks he should have agreed to the gig for Eden's sake, but it did feel like both Eden and Bree were overly dismissive of how triggering it was for him. Anyway, he's agreed now so hopefully it'll go well.
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Alf's episode count this week:Three. A fairly quiet week mostly, with only Irene, Leah, Marilyn and Justin also managing three.
They finally addressed the issue of why Cohen hasn't been at school then, at least partly. And it seems he's the right age for Summer Bay High, so at least 11? Having teased us like this, I hope he actually does start there instead of getting pulled out like Eliza did. As I've said before, they can have school age characters without actually needing to show them in school. Anyway, the end of the episode shows one way they might put a stop to it. It's kind of frustrating because up until then Roo had done a good job of telling something wasn't quite right with Cohen (Alf was utterly clueless) and handled it fairly well. I hope she doesn't go blaming Cash, who might have chosen his words more carefully but obviously didn't intend for Cohen to do this. But then that ending demonstrates how Roo jumped the gun and, instead of giving Cohen a home for as long as he needs it, convinced herself that he should be there permanently, even though there were avenues still to explore. I mean, she would have been with Frank when Tom and Pippa adopted Sally, so she probably knew about that, but they waited a lot longer (even if it did kind of go the same way near the end).
Remi actually handled things reasonably well with Bree, and gave Mackenzie an apology that was necessary on two counts. Bree acting as though play the song would solve something showed a lack of understanding though. It doesn't matter how good the song is or how much work he did on it, Remi's going to be reminded of what it led him to do. So Bree's next mission is to try and reignite his love of music. Given that she's not in the episode, I'm not entirely sure whether Eden's agreed to this? We did get a reference to an album today so I guess Avalon managed to pull enough together for that.
Levi and Mackenzie are mostly wandering around and occasionally intersecting with other people's storylines, but we get a bit more information about where they are on their IVF journey, even though a lot of it went over my head!
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I did feel sorry for Remi, being blasted by Bree over something he'd literally just found out about. Still, he lost a lot of sympathy by going round to corner Mack like that. I'm not sure Levi needed to go as far as he did in response but he needed telling. I'm actually glad that Kirby kept her side of the bargain and publicised Avalon's release. I don't know if the idea is that she couldn't finish the album as planned but she's managed to get one single done? Anyway, it's sent Bree spiralling again.
Eden and Abigail get included in the very small loop aware of Mackenzie's IVF. How serious is Mackenzie about not wanting to go through this again? I'm glad Eden finally put her foot down and told Abby to stop pushing her to make a decision about the dress.
It was inevitable that Leah would have a go at Justin about Irene being upset but they had a nice chat.As Leah pointed out, getting people's names wrong isn't confined to those with Alzheimer's by any means, but I get why Irene thinks it's different for her. The blackly comic part of me wonders what happens if Irene can't remember she's written everyone's names on the back of the photos...
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Shane & Angel’s Wedding was an odd one to be in there, but then Irene & Angel were quite close when they worked at the Diner together.
I did ponder the fact that Damian was best man, but if that was the connection she'd probably have one of the whole wedding party up.
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I wonder if Cash and Eden have realised that their original wedding date would have coincided with the season finale and decided to move it back so there's less chance of anyone being kidnapped or crashing a car on the way there. Even though they left things in a better place than they could have done, I was surprised to hear that Eden's not only stayed in touch with her father but invited him to the wedding. And I'm not entirely sure of the wisdom of that, given that chatting on the phone and texting is one thing but Eden did seem to find being in the same room as him triggering, so see how that works out. Abigail being the matron of honour from hell to Eden was amusing and rather scary, and a nice callback to when Eden was on the other side and desperately trying to find a wedding dress that Felicity would like.
John pulling out of being celebrant is a shame. I can see his reasoning, such as it is, but it feels like an emotional gut response.I don't think Irene actually thought he was Jett, she just got the names confused. And while I can understand his desperation, if Irene is going to forget him, I'm not sure spending all his time hanging around her is going to stop it. So I hope he changes his mind, because it would mean a lot to them and it would mean a lot to him. Bad timing for Irene to walk in on Leah and Justin messing around, the fact she wasn't angry, just upset makes it worse.
They seem to be positioning Sonny as a kind of lovable bum, which works to an extent, but even little things like him handing Leah the money for coffee last episode had me thinking "Where did that come from? Does he have a money tree?" Is the idea he does odd jobs to make what little money he needs? I like that someone finally used the phrase "found family" which does seem to be what the fostering angle and the whole show has evolved into, the idea that the people around you that care about you become your family.
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Watching it again and freezing it, that's not Kane and Kirsty and I'm not entirely sure who it is: Darcy and Rocco, or at a pinch Harley? (By the way, did I mention I could make out what I think was Matilda's sleeve in that clip of the Diner opening last week?)
Also, I was glad Dana and Sonny did actually get some time away!
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Whilst we're probably meant to share Theo's shocked look, Lacey hiring a private investigator is probably a sensible idea. It can possibly give her the answers she needs. There does seem to be a concerted effort to soften David these last couple of weeks, moving him from a hardass into a broken man covering up his grief. He did at least offer an explanation for what might have caused the accident, even if he does seem to be treating absence of evidence as evidence. And he extends a bit of an olive branch to Tane as well.
We got another nice flashback montage for Irene: Mostly post-2004 clips (or whenever they moved to widescreen), although they managed to sneak Selina in there. At some point I'm going to have to go back and look at that latest nostalgic photo shelf: Shane and Angel's wedding photo front and centre, and a familiar Kane and Kirsty photo off to one side. I wondered why they included that phone conversation with Jett, but I guess it was to set up Irene getting him and John confused. Irene still manages to be straight talking with Dana though, and a nice moment between her and Sonny at the end after Justin explains her history.
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I dunno, I guess I'm mainly wishing that Theo would show Lacey a bit more empathy and not come out with lines like "this isn't the Lacey I fell in love with" when the Lacey he fell in love with was a gang leader's moll. I think Lacey did a pretty good job of being the bigger person and arranging a truce. David and Jo might be happy with "I just drove the car into a tree for no reason" but I can understand why Lacey feels there's more to it than that. It definitely sounds like if their mum didn't die the day she got the ring then it was certainly not long after. Tane glosses over a few details when talking about Mikaere's death.
I'm not sure if I should be seeing red flags but Cohen definitely still seems a bit insecure about his new set-up and seemed to latch onto Cash's recollection of doing odd jobs while missing the point that he didn't need to. Alf had some nice moments tutoring Cohen on the fine art of barbecuing.
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Alf's episode count this week:Three, plus a stock footage appearance on Monday. Marilyn was in four, but she wasn't credited on Tuesday and only appeared in one early scene before abruptly disappearing, so I'm guessing that was moved from the previous episode.
I can't quite decide if it's Roo that hasn't thought this adoption thing through or the show, because there were a lot of moments that had me going "But...but...but..." Roo tells Cohen that she's not replacing his mum, but that's exactly what she is doing, both legally and practically. Again, she seems to have overlooked the fact that adoption isn't the only way to provide him with a permanent/long-term home, and she's continuing to compare it to Cash being taken in by Gary while ignoring the key difference that Cash's parents were dead and he had no-one else. As atrus notes above, what if his mother suddenly wants to step up again in two years when she gets out? It seems far too early to be proposing something so drastic and irreversible. And the lack of a dissenting voice now Harper isn't in the episode and Alf's done an abrupt 180, with everyone gushing about what a great idea it is, doesn't help. I also felt like Cohen writing the letter to his mum in order to sort things out underlined how little he's really understanding the situation, since it'll almost certainly be sent back unread.
The ring is a difficult one. I guess my feeling is that Lacey took off and left it behind and kind of relinquished her claim to it, so I'm not saying Jo should hand it over, although it'd be nice if she would rather than just dogmatically digging her heels in, which reinforces my feeling that she's not the reasonable one here as she's sometimes perceived to be. Lacey trying to grab it off her neck wasn't the right way to handle it either way. Some very confused dialogue made it sound like their mum got the ring the day she died?
I guess it's not a surprise since we knew they'd gone away, but given that Levi and Mackenzie heard on Monday that everyone has long waiting lists, it's a bit abrupt to suddenly have them doing the IVF anyway!
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Yes, Alf and Roo were both very frustrating here. Alf assuming that because Samantha's distanced herself from Cohen the adoption won't make any difference was absurdly simplistic. I did appreciate Harper trying hard to be a voice of reason. I don't think it was entirely unreasonable for her to agree to write a reference if it's what Cohen wants, because that's a big if. I guess Roo had to address it sooner or later but Cohen ended up asking questions that she doesn't really seem to have an answer for. (Harper continues to work well when just doing her job, by the way.)
I like Lacey, but dragging Dana in to back her up always had the potential to backfire. Sonny did a reasonably good job getting Dana to open up to him, and even Harper seemed impressed.
I do feel like Lacey is being a bit one-note, and taking it out on Theo doesn't help, but when David was saying he was making all the effort and she wouldn't meet him halfway, I found it less than convincing.Sure, he's the one holding out olive branches, but it feels like he wants Lacey back in the family on his terms and is expecting her to accept his version of what happened without giving her any reason to.
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I can't say I remember Irene mentioning Nathan to Bella. I'm wondering if someone's got mixed up with her mentioning him to....a character who's name I can't be bothered to look up. The one that thought she was her daughter around 2016.
Anyway, today. Ever since telling Leah and then Marilyn, Irene seems to have well and truly moved into acceptance mode with regard her Alzheimer's, although it was still obviously a wrench to have to tell Harper and Dana. I'm tempted to wonder if she actually had forgotten where John had gone. Dana and Sonny learn that you really don't argue with John when he's being that intense. Dana was well-meaning, but a bit much for Irene, who also doesn't want to handle the guilt of Dana giving up her life for her. Alf abruptly knows (did Leah or Marilyn tell him?), but it doesn't seem to be common knowledge with Remi apparently in the dark.
I can see why Remi said Bree didn't need to apologise but she kind of did. It was unfair of Remi to blame Eden, so I'm glad he apologised too. There's been no brilliant insight into their troubles but I guess deciding to keep working at it is something. I'm not sure if Abby's disconnect, wandering around town trying to find where she'll do the least damage, is leading somewhere or just a way of involving her while Mali's away.
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Jo and Abby should start a club: It was almost painful watching Jo trying desperately to find the right thing to say to Bree and failing miserably. We got the cliffhanger in the promo again, although it's not as important this time since it doesn't feel like such a pivotal moment, plus Bree and Remi aren't exactly the main focus. Hardly a case of "All good" as things remain incredibly awkward between them.Cash might have been a bit more helpful but I guess there's no easy solution, certainly not the one Bree went for.
Tane and Jo seem to have decided to build a friendship, which is a good start if they want to take things further.Cash and Eden had a nicely angst-free chat about having children.
John turns up and discovers he's missed a huge chunk of Irene's storyline.He gave her some sensible advice, and Leah certainly didn't want her to gift her share to her, but there was something rather uncomfortable about the way Irene seemed to be relying on John to tell her what to do.
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A nice flashback montage as Irene finishes at the Diner. It would have been nice to see some of the Diner's other incarnations but I get why they chose to focus on that one and it gave us a nice glimpse of Geoff, Annie and Miles from the Pier Diner's early days. Given the presence of Jett and Chris, I'm guessing the other "old faces" clip is from after Chris accidentally poisoned a bunch of customers? So Marilyn's clued in and Irene got a nice chat with a supportive Justin.
Tane and Cash's Two Men and a Baby routine was quite amusing. I would not have been as quick to volunteer as Cash was, nor as convinced it would be easy! He must have given that bottle a big shake to demolish it like that...and doesn't everyone keep their milk in the fridge door? I really didn't like Mackenzie pressuring Jo to go out with Tane, and even less the way she treated Levi who definitely didn't want to get involved. Now Cash seems to have decided to play matchmaker between them.
I did feel sorry for Abby a bit: She's been too enthusiastic and indiscreet at times, but she's obviously feeling the strain of being the one who constantly puts her foot in it as a result of being out of the loop. Mackenzie just seemed to gloss over the fact that couples doing IVF tend to have been trying unsuccessfully for years, not two or three months, but I guess her family history does factor into it.
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A bit blind leading the blind here as another childless bachelor, but so far as I can tell, the trigger jab did work and they harvested the eggs but fertilising them didn't work.
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Well, Roo seems to have recovered her sanity and remembered what her job is and that Cohen comes first, especially now she can’t pretend Adrian isn’t his father. I was a bit concerned when she turned up at the police station but she did seem to be trying to make things work, even if she quickly goes into a sulk when they start getting on.
Bad timing twice between Harper and Jo. Harper turning up when Jo was in her room was bad luck and I can see why she’d think it was an intrusion, even with the open house. But Harper can’t really start dictating who Tane can spend time with when he’s got Archie with him.
Irene managed to get a couple of characters with names to look at her house, that’s a good start. Leah’s doing her best to be supportive.