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  1. I think two years is about right, for one it's a pretty big job, and I'm also not sure the interest would be held if it was to happen every year - given the whole process takes around 2½ months, people would get a bit fatigued by it happening every year. I think the gap also allows a little bit more variety with the results, I imagine any popularity jumps/declines would be far more gradual on a year to year basis, and not quite as interesting.
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  2. Happy birthday BTTB! There's an even scarier anniversary for me this year... April 11th will be TWENTY years since I published the first issue of Summer Bay News online (the forerunner of H&A Source which merged with Chris' site to become BTTB). That certainly makes me feel old. I have fond memories of 13 years ago. When I hear songs from the time they always remind me of being at my job in the US, being interrupted by messages from Chris for most of the day after he got home from school, always with some new idea for the site. It's really good to be back as a contributor again after a long absence and to see how much hard work goes on behind the scenes collating facts, figures and trivia that will one day make its way onto the site. It's an incredible resource and now that the show's in its 30th season I realize how important this is. 13 years ago I, and others too, probably felt like we knew the show inside out, but now there's 30 years of history it would be completely impossible for anyone to put it all together without the joint effort we have here. It's an unwieldy beast! Well done everyone.
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  3. It's like Monica's closet in Friends. One day Alf will say "You know something... I have no idea what's in that closet"... He'll phone Sally up and ask if she has a key... Sally will say she never used the closet after Pippa left, so he'll phone Pippa. Pippa will rush "Back to the Bay" and say "Alf... whatever you do, never open that closet". Consumed by curiosity one night, Alf can't sleep as thunder and lightning shakes the house. He goes downstairs and breaks the door of the closet, to find a skeleton tied to a chair. It's holding a baking tray of old meatloaf in one hand and a photograph in the other. Alf looks at the photo, it's the original Fletcher family photo from the pilot episode, only something is different. He looks at all the faces closely. "Hogan's ghost!" Alf mutters to himself. "That's not Pippa..." "That's right Alf", says Pippa, who has appeared behind him, wielding a giant axe and doing her "serious, angry-eyes" face. "It's NOT Pippa." Lightning strikes as Pippa swings the axe and Mike Perjanik "bobby comes out the fridge" score plays. Freeze frame on Alf's terrified face. Sorry for the spoilers folks, but I've just told you the 2017 season finale.
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  4. We appear to have made it to our teenage years... BTTB turns 13 years old today!
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  5. I thought Stanford could have afforded a little more tact in their letter to Steven
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  6. Happy 13th Birthday BTTB, of course being a Home and Away fan site that probably means you're now actually 17 and have been recast with Matt Little... Thanks to the team for all your hard work.
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  7. Well this is a show that in 2017 that doesn't have a regular gay, disabled, black, or Asian character. I'm not asking for minority bingo and to have them just because they are a minority but to not even have 1 speaks volumes...
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  8. That's it! Our Top 3 are now posted and the poll is finished for another two years! Most Popular Character 2016 Also, be sure to check the bottom of the index where, as requested, we've added a page listing all those main characters who didn't receive any points (which was quite a mammoth task for RR1). A big thanks again to RR1 for his excellent commentaries, Chris for ensuring we had a nice template set up on the new publishing system, Matt for helping out with the vote compiling, and to all those members who voted and took the time to discuss the results in here each day. Now back to my Amaretto.... Happy Christmas!
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  9. I think it's quite unbelievable that Olivia has been in the bay for this amount of time and Diana hasn't tried to see her yet
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  10. It has happened on a number of occasions in previous years - back in the day you never would have noticed, as the old CRT TVs always had a bit of overscan which meant around 5% of the image was cut off around the edges. Whilst monitors in the studio would usually have compensated for this when filming, they would have known that any little mic drops or edge of sets that were visible would likely never be seen on-screen by the audience at home, so it often wasn't an issue. Of course once LCD screens and the like came in, which do show the whole image, it was a different story
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  11. ATEOTD (at the end of the day) H&A still needs an overhaul, even though crimes are part of seaside town life. It is the balance which is the biggest problem. The pacing needs to be better.
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  12. BTTB will have acne next and have severe mood swings. In January 2022 we can buy the site its first pint.
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  13. Producing quality TV generally means taking risks and pushing boundaries, which H&A doesn't. You don't seem to understand. It's not depicting Aussie life. That's the whole point.
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  14. Oh, we're back on this again despite my previous warning, that's nice. Before we move on, a hypothetical situation for you Old H&A Fan: You're a 16 year old male, a middle aged man makes it clear that he is sexually interested in you. He deliberately walks in on you when he knows you're getting undressed, then again when he knows you're naked as you're stepping out the shower (still see it as 'just a laugh'?). He creeps around outside your bedroom window, and you repeatedly make it clear you're not interested. Then when he knows you're alone in bed, he comes in and tries to slip under the covers with you saying he'd like to "get to know you better". That would be OK with you would it? You'd just say "Sure thing, hop in"... ? In reality, whether the other person is male, female, young or old, the situation is the same - if you're not interested, they should leave you alone. His name is Matt (but you knew that already)
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  15. Selina's also old enough to say no and that's what Murdoch did wrong, taking no notice of her wishes and doing things that he knew made her uncomfortable for his own pleasure.
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  16. I disagree. 80s and 90s certainly didn't have as many ridiculous and unbelievable storylines as the current show does. Take Pippa and Michael's seperation for example. In the current show they would probably go to ONE counselling session and that would be it. Like a magic cure. Then there's an actual comparison with Dale and Rocco an their respective cot deaths. How is it more modern that a baby has to be rushed to hospital every week and die from something completely unrelated? Then that horrible casting of VJ. If Bobby had an accident now, she would wake up from being brain dead. Of course those eras had their weak spots. For example writing characters in their 20s as if they were in their 40s. But what I'm complaining about is not flimic look or crime aspect. I'm complaining about lazy writing. I do not enjoy being treated as an idiot by the writers.
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  17. Storylines from the 90s could have happened in any other small town, whereas current storylines are unique for a disastrous Summer Bay. The show is utterly ridiculous. The stories are laughable. A complete fantasy land. I had made a few months break this year. What lured me back in was the return of Duncan. It was ok, but that storyline with plane falling down was totally unnecessary. And even if it did have to happen, why did the plane had to explode as well? Speaking of being over the top. I hate it. When Bianca had a baby, he was so often rushed to hospital that it was hard to believe that he died from SIDS and not because he was a weak baby. And if I had a dollar for every time Billy had a pregnancy scare, I would be a millionaire by now. And then Brody running around freely when there was a storyline about possibility of losing a leg. Josh waking up from being brain-dead. Brax getting out without being charged with faking his death and breaking out of custody. What we need is real people with real relatable storylines. However I do not believe that TPTB really care about what the show really is. It's business and if doing what they're doing now makes money, that's all there is to it.
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  18. I agree. H&A in the early days was very much character driven. OK we maybe had some "stereotypes" like Celia the busybody, Floss and Neville, the older couple, Lance and Martin, the no-hopers, and they were only the "supporting characters" besides the Fletchers and the Stewarts. Pretty much every character was unique and well-defined, had their own backstory which was reflected in their current issues. Nowadays, most characters are interchangable and bland, and are more defined by who they're going with that week, than any actual character traits. To make up for this we get explosions and planes being brought down in a slightly desperate attempt to keep us watching.
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  19. Can we not have another thread turned into a producer debate please. The main purpose of the thread was to discuss ideas for the 30th.
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  20. I think a massive part of the problem can be seen when we compare the 2006-2008 era to the current Braxton-Morgan era. Characters who committed crimes were punished for them, and their acts were seen as wrong and outraged the town, especially when committed against "good and law abiding" citizens. Jump to this current time, and we are expected to feel empathy and side with those who CONTINUALLY break the law, and are not justifiably reprimanded. I personally think this decline started after Angelo got away with "killing" Jack and the whole Hugo boat smuggling saga.
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  21. Yeah from a kiwi I've noticed Aussie life. I mean back in the day we had Zoe the Stalker. I mean even in 2008 one of my fav seasons from the show. You had Johnny Cooper. Etc. But they always balanced it out with depicting Aussie lifestyle and culture. I guess lack of balance, pacing, and consistency is the main issue. The pacing tends to be over blown. When you have that harsh thriller music tone. And at the end some individual is getting beat to the ground. To the point your like, am I watching Blue Heelers, Underbelly, or Home and Away? It would be great if they brought in a Family this season. Who weren't criminals, or on the run, or in Witness Protection. Who are just an every day Aussie Family. Like The Holdens or The Walkers. So it balances it all out.
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  22. Here here. Average Australian does not live under witness protection neither experience a plane crash in the desert.
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  23. I apologise if I am wrong but at a guess I would say u were a white straight male.? I don't mean to be personal in any way, but I am sure Australia has a huge mix of people. For one of the main shows of the country to only represent just one demographic I would say thats incredible prejudice to the shows own decrement. I agree with you. It's not an obligation to deliver equality. It should go without saying. I've been in love with home and away since 1988 despite the fact I've never been represented. But enough is enough. There are black people. There are gay people. And shock horror- some of them live in Avalon and Clareville etc. I know them! And some may have even travelled up from the city! To ignore in 2017 is disgusting. I would say that the old school home and away even had a large percentage of gay fans. The current show has stuck two fingers up at them. The last black main character was elighah. When was that 2012? Make me sick to the stomach. And again I reiterate. Art should be used to challenge. Not to confirm with establishement. Otherwise what is the point.
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  24. It's funny because in 1998 Irene is on the phone and says, in references to Joey dressing up as a woman, "no Doris! He has not gone "that way" and even if he had it would be none of your darn business." so I like to think that although gwen plum played another character since Doris, that she was still alive and gossiping as late as 1998.
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  25. Red Ranger, I take my hat off to you sir! To write some 200 character profiles considering that you had a tight deadline is no mean feat And to keep them witty, entertaining, clear and concise was terrific. If that had been me I would have lost the will to live. I always knew from the UK thread that you were a talented writer and this proves it. So I salute you. I would also like to thank Dan the man not just for the site but for running this forum (How you've managed to remain calm with some of the posters is beyond me). Thank you to Chris - Not sure if he even watches the show anymore - but also for the site and the forum. And last but not least a shoutout to Matt.
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  26. A HUGE congratulations to Jack Holden! Oh wait...
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  27. That's coming for the show's 30th anniversary in 2018 Oh wait... I'm getting confused with the Braxton reunion
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  28. an uninterrupted Carly theme. Finally. Now I can wollow in self pity listening to this in true Carly fashion. Love it.
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  29. That is real life logic - given that Zac was allowed to teach with his drug conviction, it is not impossible for Barry to return to teaching. However, he is probably not "hot"enough for the powers that be...
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  30. Happy Birthday BTTB !!!! Now that you're a teenager, are you stereotypically going to be a bit of pain and feel you're misunderstood etc ??? ...... after seeing the brilliant THE EDGE OF SEVENTEEN recently, I couldn't help but write that !!!!!!
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  31. Happy birthday BTTB! I've been a member for nearly twelve years now - it doesn't seem that long! I usually dip in and out of the spoilers section but I've always kept up to date with the website. A valuable source of information for anything I want to know. Thankyou for all the wonderful hard work that everyone involved puts into the website and forum. I really appreciate it all. Am I allowed to provide a virtual cake for everyone to enjoy please?
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  32. Discussions about the lack of diversity on Australian TV aren't new. Some progress has been made, yet others seem resistant to it, like Home and Away. I don't care that it's a small seaside town, that's no excuse for excluding diversity. Endless criminals, murderers, gangs (all well above the average you'd expect of such a town) etc, always manage to find their way into Summer Bay, yet people of colour or LGBTQI or who have disabilities seem to have great difficulty in finding that same road, almost as if it's been made invisible for them. Home and Away is a TV show that chooses when it wants to reflect society and when not to. It's attitude toward violence and crime for instance is a good example of when it ignores how society views such things, usually when it's a regular character doing something criminal and being excused, compared to wanting us to condemn the same behaviour when committed by a guest character. They pick and choose at will, so the only conclusion I can draw for the lack of diversity, is that it's an obvious decision to keep the show as it is. There were a couple of studies on diversity released last year. Screen Australia found that kid shows and comedies had better diversity, than the adult shows. It found that 5% of main characters where Indigenous compared to 3% of the population, but characters from non-Anglo Celtic backgrounds, or who had identified disabilities or were LGBTQI, were well under-represented compared to the actual percentage of the population they represent. In Home and Away's case, I think it safe to say that it is incredibly subpar on all levels of this representation. For a show that is 30 years old, Home and Away does feel that it hasn't really moved with the times in certain areas, and it's not just the lack of diversity, it's the way in which they have chosen to portray them when they bother to. Their gay characters, of years past it's been that long, tended to play to stereotype, and one thing I am sick to death of seeing on TV, not just Australian TV, are dead or crazy/obsessive lesbians, bi characters for an episode or two before back to 100% straight, non happy endings for diverse characters etc. Neighbours' Steph and Belinda-she-who-stalked-from-behind-trees-and-couldn't-accept-it-was-over-Bell supposed lesbian storyline was how not to do it, since Belinda was written in such a way as to make us mistrust her every time they brought her back, These days, by expecting good representation, then you're almost guaranteed to be disappointed, so predictable LGBTQI storylines have become. Neighbours does need improvement in how to tell some of these storylines, but at least they're making an effort to include diversity after spending years ignoring it, unlike Home and Away. I mean, how hard is it for Home and Away to add some diversity? With the political climate and all that, plenty of opportunities for some drama and decent storylines by introducing some cultural diversity, or any diversity really. I guess it's just a little too hard though.
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  33. I used to work in a seaside town which has a family who are similar the Braxtons in H&A. They have a reputation for sheer violence and if you get into a fracas with one of them and any other family members are nearby, you get dog piled on and end up severely kneecapped. One of them is a local boxer and he has appeared in local newspapers charged with GBH on a few occasions. They are not the sort of family I should get to know, nor would want to know, if you unintentionally step on their toes, you end up getting battered. The Braxtons had a reputation for violent crimes so Home And Away having a criminal family in a seaside town is what can happen in real life, it is just since they have arrived, that format has been built upon.
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  34. And people of all colours go to the beach in NSW - as do people with all sexualities, abilities and disabilities. Hell last time I was there a fat and ugly person like me was allowed on too...
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  35. I know there's a 'Diversity' thread but I wanted to open one specifically for gay characters and discussion of the fleeting ones who have appeared in Home and Away. Shannon Reed, mid 90s pin-up originally portrayed as straight for her first year in the show, fell for a woman eventually. Obviously she left. 2006 guest lesbian Eve Jacobsen turned up in Summer Bay to get revenge on the residents who she crazily believed were responsible for the death of the woman she loved, Sarah Lewis. Naturally as a homosexual, she blew up a wedding venue, attempting to kill as many people as possible. Also in 2006, suspected gay guest character Charlie McKinnon developed an obsession with regular straight character Kim Hyde, played by Chris Hemsworth no less - who luckily has moved on to pastures less homophobic. Charlie begins to dress like him and turn up at his house unexpectedly. Of course the writers never clarified whether he was gay, nor did they refer to the possibility he might be gay, but needless to say the character was sectioned and sent off presumably to the Home and Away mental asylum for gay guest characters. Following in the footsteps of Shannon, policewoman Charlie Buckton fell for a woman in 2009. In contract to the positive depiction of homosexuality a decade and a half earlier, Charlie's relationship with Joey lasted a couple of weeks before lesbian Joey left never to be mentioned again. Charlie never clarified whether she was bisexual or not, but pursued relationships with men for her final 3 years on the show, eventually being shot by an enemy of her criminal boyfriend, who bizarrely was depicted as the show's protagonist. Internet Predator - What was the name of the character who played the internet predator who went to meet Spencer Harrington? In 2016, guest-character-cum-suspected-lesbian Tabitha Ford developed a creepy obsession with regular straight girl Olivia Fraser-Richards. Of course when I say 'suspected', I refer to the viewers' assumptions, as of course the writers didn't let the characters use the word 'gay' or 'lesbian' due to the alleged constraints placed upon them by Network 7 executives. As embarrassing as recycled soap plots go, this one takes the cake. Tabitha begins to dress like Olivia and follow her around, reminiscent of Charlie doing this to Kim exactly a decade earlier. Home and Away's only regular LGBT character was Shannon Reed, who left in 1997. Though her defining sexuality was never clarified. Although Neighbours also took a long while to bring gay characters to the fore, it has had 4 regular gay characters and numerous guests since 2010. Its most prominent gay character appeared on the show for 5 years and wasn't confused, psychotic or a predator. Perhaps it is time that Channel 5, Home and Away's main invester, intervened. This homophobic back-water attitude is unacceptable in 2017.
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  36. I find it odd that Home and Away try to push the boundaries in so many respects (drugs, violence, sex etc.), yet they can't have a regular gay character. Having said that, a regular gay character wouldn't even "pushing the boundaries" anymore, not when shows such as Dance Academy and Neighbours have managed to do it. If Home and Away had made Chris Fletcher a regular in 2003, then it would have been ground-breaking, particularly for Australia. I don't think long term fans would have accepted Pippa's son living somewhere else when she took in so many waifs and strays herself. I guess they could have him live with Sally and Flynn (his adoptive sister and brother-in-law) or made him a completely different character (perhaps one of Beth's sons or a cousin of Noah's or someone's), but it's still a moot point since they clearly didn't want a gay regular at the time. I thought it might have been possible that Brodie was gay when he first arrived, as all the Morgans were quickly given a love interest but him, but it didn't eventuate.
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  37. Comments in this thread are becoming increasingly personal. That is against Forum Rules. Having a different opinion does't amount to a personal attack or slight. Members should stick to attacking opinions not the people who express them.
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  38. Sorry but that's out of line i am so sick of those of us who want to see diversity getting responses like THAT
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  39. Thanks for the heads-up. For anyone struggling to find it, here is the reference: HOST: But do you think over in England they can get away with more, even though the timeslots are actually similar? HOLLY LYONS: Yeah, I think they definitely do, because - like Emmerdale would have gay relationships, and gay kisses, and I know Home & Away, erm, doesn't like to do that very often... This is a subject I try to keep abreast of, as I think H&A's current policy towards gay storylines is crazy - particularly given the recent material with Tabitha and Olivia which in my view was highly offensive, given the context. In an interview earlier this year, former script producer Sarah Walker made references to a storyline that I strongly suspect is that of Charlie and Joey from H&A. If so, it sheds a little more light on the prevailing attitude of the network: [Walker] was working on a mainstream drama when she wrote a same-sex relationship into the script. When it aired, a storm of controversy erupted and “everyone at the network freaked out”. In the aftermath, the writers were told that there was never to be another gay storyline in the show. And so there hasn’t. A few months later, a fairly innocent line in a script merely mentioning lesbians caught the attention of executives, one of whom sent the stern message back that his wife and kids “don’t need to see this kind of s**t on TV”. These anecdotes aren’t from the 1970s or 80s, but just several years ago. “That was quite distressing,” Walker recalls. “Imagine if that was a conversation about an indigenous person or storyline. It would be outrageous. No one would ever say something like that. I was told there was to be no mention of gays and lesbians on the show — no references at all.”
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  40. Not for another two weeks it returns January 23rd http://www.backtothebay.net/news/2017/01/06/home-away-early-years-break/
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  41. I agree. I actually think it's the worst re-cast of all time for any show.
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  43. Trouble is the show isn't written for the long term. So while the early years had a faithful audience up to a certain point in the shows history, this new style of writing will differ. People can only watch the same the stories go around in circles for so long. It. A bomb going off my attract high ratings but those things in the long run won't hold an audience. People tend nowadays to "grow out" of home and away once the characters that they grew to like, their peers, leave. The high turn around of characters and lack of stories for older characters doesn't help either. One day they might find it harder to attract another new audience. My point is that yes, ratings are a priority but the things they are doing to attract them are short term solutions. If they continue to alienate their loyal fan base then this will not be good for the shows longevity.
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  44. Some people say that's why neighbours has improved so much lately. Because it kinda out of the ratings race war now it's on a cable channel. The writers are left to their own devices more.mDo you think that's true?
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  45. It all boils down to one thing. Money. Channel 7 probably have told them to write endless crime stories and disasters, the ones that will get the show the biggest ratings. They must have saw such stories get the biggest ratings so they want the writers to write them and make lots of profit so they can buy the latest flash car and a condo in Bondi. H&A has become a ratings juggernaut in Australia but has sacrificed its roots as a result.
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  46. Disliking Brodie, is like kicking a Puppy
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  47. But having character driven human stories isn't going back it's maintaining what was good in the past. Ignoring for a moment that they have been done, most of the Early years story lines will still be relevant in 2017. That's what we want more of the timeless people driven character development which is what attracted us to the show in the first place...
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  48. Not really surprised that Sally won, but of the 3 that were still in play before the final announcements, I wish it had of been Irene ...... mostly cos of her connection to Billie Many thanks to everyone who worked on the updates etc of this poll [Dan, Red, Chris, Matt]. You're all ACE !!!!! Roll on 2018 and the next poll !!!!!!
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  49. Another thing that gets me when people say how its a modern show and it can't go back blah blah blah is that it is exactly what older fans are complaining about. The current show doesn't move with the times at all. Just goes around in a constant circle. At least for the past 5 years. In the 80s,90s and early 00s the episode would some how reflect what was going on in the world at that time with its many issues raise, character types and storylines Now it like it is set in a time that doesn't exist. Nothing about the show is very relatable anymore.
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  50. Its returning next Monday! Its been too long a break.
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